One On One Scenes
Recently joined and I'm noticing that nearly all of the scenes have at least one third party, usually a guy who is constantly chatting through the scene and usually doing pretty much all the action in the scene. The viewer, in 90% of the female sub scenes just seems to sit in a chair fairly motionless getting his dick sucked or whatever rather than taking any active role, barely any scenes where they even slap the girl never mind anything more extreme.
Can we have some more one on one scenes without another guy present where the vr viewer is the person dishing out the punishment and having a more involved role in the scene rather than just a stunt cock? The Hazel Paige scene 'You Will Be Falling' is an example of what I'd like more of although even that is limited in terms of action. At least the viewer is actually taking part though.
Would love to see some more regular anal scenes too and some pissing scenes.
Just my initial feedback on the site.
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Thanks for your feedback. Not to get too much into the non-sexy realities of shooting VR porn, it is an extremely technical performance that many performers find difficult. Most performers are just not able to perform in VR. We however have been encouraging our male talent to get more involved and are experimenting with some new techniques to allow the male POV performer to move a little more. So stay tuned! That being said, there are a number of shoots where the male POV performer is spanking, choking, face slapping, and fingering. We even have some fisting from the male POV coming up soon!
Curious to see what you think of these:
https://kinkvr.com/members/bdsm-vr-video/how_to_train_your_whore_part_i-325614/
https://kinkvr.com/members/bdsm-vr-video/dirty_little_fuck_thing-324584/
They don’t necessarily have to move around. Most VR just cuts from position to position rather than you actually moving on camera. It will just cut from you laying down to standing up.
Even without moving though they could be more involved in the action. There are very few scenes where the male performer slaps the girl. That maybe because she doesn’t want to be slapped in the face obviously but I just think they could be a bit more involved rather than just sitting there, motionless, arms by their side and occasionally grabbing the girls hair to face fuck them. I’ve seen more involvement in a few scenes on non-BDSM VR sites. It can’t be that hard for them to reach up and grab the girl’s throat or slap her. I just don’t want a second guy in every scene giving a running commentary as you wouldn’t want that in real life if you were with these girls.
I hear ya. What did you think about the amount of movement in the scenes linked above?
Not sure what I should be seeing on the Chloe Cherry one. The performer is just sat in a chair for the whole scene. Occasionally face fucking her and sticking his fingers in her mouth.
The other scene is a bit better but the guy just stands up for the whole scene instead. Movement is less the issue though. If you look at the first scene you mentioned, why is it necessary to have another guy in the scene putting his hands on the girl, choking her and slapping her in the face when I (the viewer) am supposed to be the one having sex with her? All the hard face slaps come from him while I sit there slapping her thighs and gently tapping her face once I think. The viewer is more actively involved in this scene so it is better than most but I don't want some other guy in the room putting his hands on the girl when the performer could do that himself.
The Hazel Paige scene I mentioned has very little changes in terms sexual positions but is way hotter to me as its just me and the girl and I'm the one doing everything to her and she to me. I don't see why there's a need for a separate dom in every scene constantly giving intructions and controlling the girl. I can see it as a storyline thing now and again with a husband and wife dominating a girl or a wife swap storyline but not every scene. If it's a male dom scene then we should be the dom not some other guy.
Like I say, it's just my opinion and feedback as a new member. Obviously it's your site and you should run it as you see fit. I just came here to experience some rough sex in VR and I feel instead like I'm just a glorified dildo while watching some other guy or girl dish out all the rough stuff.
Thanks for responding though.
I’m working my way back now to some older scenes and scenes like Kira Noir’s ‘Your Whore’ and London River’s ‘London Dungeon’ are the type of scenes I was looking for. Just one on one rough scenes and coincidentally they were also anal scenes which is a favourite of mine too. I’d settle though for not having anal if you did more scenes like this, especially Kira’s which features lots of choking and face slapping.
Thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate it. Exploring the dynamic of male dom POV scenes in VR has presented its challenges for sure. When those scenes came out we got feedback that there was not enough intensity so that is why we brought in the second male dom, to help keep the energy up, but I see your point and will keep that in mind going forward.
Thanks for that. I don’t totally disagree that those scenes couldn’t have been a bit more intense. You could definitely go a bit harder with the slaps and stuff in those scenes if the girl was down for that. Kira’s scene was pretty decent though.
I’d still take less intense over having a 2nd dom though. There maybe times when it fits a storyline like I mentioned in an earlier post but I would rather it wasn’t in every scene.
Thanks again for listening.
Just a few thoughts from my side on this discussion. I think the Team from KinkVR is doing a good job with the scenes with two doms and two subs in it. This style has a little bit of everything. So many people with a lot of different fetishes have something to look at. This scenes are not perfect for everybody over the whole runtime, but they are very good and they have a lot of different good moments in it.
I have nearly every fetish, but most of all i am a voyeur. And I’m least interested in “normal pussy penetration" when it's restricted to a "POV" camera position. In my opinion, this is something for real life and even there only after a long and intense foreplay. It is the ending of a sexual intercourse, when you feel the womans muscles clinching and pulsing aroung your cock.
So I would recommend exactly the opposite of what you are suggesting. I would like to see nearly every moment in a scene in "non-POV style" without any strangers body behind the cam. I wish most VR porn scenes were shot like 2D scenes, where the actors can move freely and the camera is always where there is something interesting to see. Just a little bit closer than in 2D scenes.
It would be perfect, so to speak, if we had a separate VR page for each fetish, as is the case with the normal "Kink.com" pages. But for this scenario we need a lot more VR users. I hope that day will come, but until then I'm happy to see the good work of KinkVR with the mixture of many fetishes in one or different scenes.
That’s cool, I’m not saying every scene should be what I want. Just that not every scene should have a separate dom as it is now. Mixing it up would be a step in the right direction for me at least.
Just curious though in terms of being a voyeur rather than a POV fan. Why VR then instead of 2D porn? Genuine question, not trying to be an asshole. I would’ve thought the USP of VR porn is the sensation that you are actually there having sex with these girls and not watching someone else fuck them.
Why VR then instead of 2D porn?
This is a perfectly valid question, which I am very happy to answer. Because everything is better in VR. I even watch 2D Porn and play 2D Games in my Headset. Since I had VR everything flat is boring. Even my very favorite porn scenes are now a bit boring compared to a normal VR scene. It's so cool to see every possible action and bodypart in the plastic VR view.
And as for the "immersion" thing (Actually I hate this term).
In my opinion porn should not simulate something that my brain can easily do by itself. That’s a bit boring.
I have a lot of fantasy. I don't need the "POV" style to be the protagonist of anything. I can watch a 2D scene, or a comic, or even read something and see myself as the guy who has the action. It's for me even better to see the details of a scene, than being trapped in the "POV" position. When i see a close up of a cock sliding in a girls asshole, it's totaly easy for me - even easier than in the males "POV" - to imagine this is my cock.
The point of a porn movie is for me to fuck my brain with as many different dirty images, sounds and fantasies as possible. Porn should surprise me with things i am not even thougt about. This gives the best orgasms
And what better way to observe a gaping hole, a prolapse, spit dripping from the chin, erected nipples, marks on the butt, the uvula in an open mouth, an asshole twitching from gagging, etc. etc. than in VR
Cool, that’s interesting. For me, I was a fan of POV porn anyway as it’s the only way I can guarantee the camera angles I like in a scene. VR to me is like POV times 100 where you can really imagine you’re right there with this girl stood right in front of you. That’s the big attraction for me.
I do get what you mean though about watching others have sex in VR is still hotter than 2d porn in that you’re still in the room with them and seeing everything in 3d makes it more real.
Hopefully going forward they can do a mixture of scenes and give us both stuff to enjoy.
Came back to see if it was any better but no, it's the same old formula. I wouldn't mind if people liked what you were doing but all I can see is a bunch of scenes rated 7/10. Do something different.
hey!, I recently subscribed and I share some of the things that have been said here.
Adding my opinion:
I think scenes more like "2D" would be great.
A good explanation why, is the site "the upper floor" (https://www.kink.com/channel/the-upper-floor)
People (actors or not) in the videos are there watching/enjoing the scene instead of being at home watching it on tv.
I think having a VR is a step between being there and seeing it on a screen.
I really don't understand the complexities of creating VR content, but I think the static scene where you're always in the same place is because of that,although a change of position would be great.
Finally I think there is too little Anal for my taste, and I dont know if this has something to do with creating VR content .
The new Anna de Ville scene is exactly what I was looking for all those months ago when I started this thread. You’ve got me back with that scene. Whether I stick around depends on whether you continue to produce scenes in that style.
I agree with OP about pretty much everything he said that may have influenced the Anna de Ville and Candy Licious scenes turning out as awesomely as they did.
More pissing, anal, slaps, from the maledom POV in general.
The male performer in those two scenes (Angelo Godshack, right?) does all that kind of stuff normally anyway in his flat porn (see Pornbox), especially pissing in mouths and assholes and vaginas. So they might not have even had to have directed him to do that, but it seems like they did anyway with how much there is of that stuff compared to other scenes.
Good job, petermc, you have helped them tap into things hordes of evil guys like us want to see, and they've created possibly their top-performing and most iconic scene so far as a result.
What I also want on top of that is more hair caressing, caressing their tits and their entire bodies, gently pulling their hair behind their ears, grabbing their neck and stroking their cheek with the thumb, etc., all in the middle of the rough, passionate maledom sex.
A lot of the most brootal male performers in flat porn do stuff like that, and it makes things a lot better for the female performer, the male performer (unless it makes it way harder for him to prolong ejaculation), and viewers who think the female performer is pretty and also want to do those things to her (probably a very, very large percentage of guys).
I also agree with RangMas1 that the group stuff they have on here is a good way for people like him who actually prefer 3rd person sex to get off, while not distracting from the main 1st person POV stuff that the majority of people want to see.
I don't know if the flogging and other non-penetrative foreplay (or postplay) and teasing type stuff mainly happening in the backgrounds of those scenes is enough to satisfy him though, since I rarely jerk off to stuff like that on its own.
I do appreciate that stuff though from an artistic perspective even if I don't religiously fap to it on the regular. So, the backgrounds of those scenes is the perfect place for them, since I can jerk off to the POV penetration that actually gets me off the most, while that stuff is just there in the corner of my eye turning the experience into something much more aesthetically and psycho-socially pleasing, complex, multi-layered, engaging, immersive, etc.
To respond to Ale, I think that with VR it's kind of hard to be the POV person since you're stuck there immobilized and can't smack the camera frame by accident. I think I've seen cameras strapped to people's heads in some cases, which must be extremely hard to keep still.
When you walk around in VR, that causes motion sickness in people that aren't used to it from playing VR games, which is such a huge percentage of people using VR for porn and other stuff but not games, that they can't expect everyone to have that level of motion sickness tolerance.
I wonder if all that does affect the ability to do anal, since you have to be extra hard for anal, and it's probably more prone to popping out, and you have to be a lot more attentive to what's going on with the recipient (both mentally and with their hole in specific), than you do with vaginal or oral penetration.
But most of these guys can do it, so we do need more anal.
To give Ale what they want, they could just set up multiple cameras and move around between them, which is kind of what VR guys do anyway. The scene edits are to transition camera positions. Come to think of it, Kink VR does do camera transitions a lot less than most other studios, so maybe that's what he's talking about, and he just wants more angle variety.
What I want on top of what petermc is complaining about (the POV not being active enough), is for the POV to also be able to talk occasionally.
I can see why that would be a problem, since the camera is right there, and it would probably create a huge audio spike.
The solution might be to come up with some kind of a chin diaper (face mask) that they keep off their mouth when they're not using it, but when they want to say something, they can put it on their face to muffle the sound and prevent blowing up the viewer's ears with the gain spike, while also having a mic inside the mask that's adjusted to whatever level is appropriate. This sounds a little bit overly elaborate.
Or, a less weird and probably more industry standard solution, would be to just set up overhead microphones in the studio and use that for all the audio.
I actually have no idea what the exact reason is that the POV is never allowed to talk in any VR video I've seen, ever.
But, I feel like a lot of the reason they have the in-house support dom in so many scenes is specifically for that reason: to do all the talking.
But it's not the same as you yourself telling them to do something, and then them doing it. It feels so much more aggressive and brootal when you're the one doing it, and everything happens in real-time without some middle man there.
I mean, try watching a Hookup Hotshot or Hoby Buchanon or Karl Toughlove scene in flat porn, and then imagine the maledoms being 100% silent the entire time, while instead 100% of that same dialogue is coming from like, Micky Mod or Mona Wales standing there off to the side and saying it instead. It's pretty weird bro.
I mean, the basic job the support dom does isn't weird, but offloading 100% of the dominant dialogue to them does get a bit forced beyond a certain threshold, which is of course weird after a while after jerking to all these scenes in a row.
I write comments on here giving props to Tommy Pistol for shoving his balls into their mouths at the same time as his dick in every scene, and stuff like that, which is great, but the real reason he's one of my favorite maledoms is the wacky, inane shit he blurts out during sex, which I find hilarious and extra humiliating (and I think many of the girls do too).
I dunno if you guys ever watched 90s porn, where there was that one guy who in every single scene he did, without fail, would during the cumshot yell "DROPPIN LOOOOOOADS!!!!!" like an idiot for no reason. I would laugh so hard every time.
Tommy Pistol is like the extracted essence of the concept of that meme from the "DROPPIN LOAAADS" guy, except expanded, evolved, sophisticated, and scaled outwards into his own, individual entire new genre of maledom humiliation.
Obviously, if Tommy was finally able to talk in scenes someday, he'd probably have to still tone it down a bit compared to flat porn, in order to not annoy viewers who don't find the shit he says as hilarious and humiliating to the girl as I do, but even the more normal, vanilla stuff he says is more interesting and engaging than most maledoms.